Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Doug @ Cameraland

If it was as clear a task as you think it would be done. Just because something is assembled in one place doesn't mean the internals weren't sourced somewhere else. In some cases every part can be sourced from China and the tube of a riflescope can be made in the USA and it is all assembled in the USA and it can be marked made in the USA

The only brand that puts COO on the product spread sheets we receive is Burris and we have posted their product list with COO.

Sightron, to the best of my knowledge, is the only Pacific Rim brand that does not make any of their riflescopes in China, only Philippines and Japan.

Swarovski, Kahles, Tangent Theta, Leica & Nightforce do not have anything that is "made in China", however, I cannot say that none of the internal pieces parts don't come from China.

Hawke, at this time, is made in China, however, at our SHOT Show meeting Hawke mentioned they are working on getting product sourced elsewhere.

iRay, Konus, Sightmark the Revic Rangefinder are made in China.

Pulsar, for the most part, is made in Belarus

Element, GPO, Bushnell, Zeiss, Sig Sauer and Kowa are sourced from multiple places but do not have a clear COO spreadsheet as Burris does

Athlon is made in China with the exception of their Cronus riflescopes which are made in Japan.

Steiner is mostly Germany and USA, with some of their entry level binoculars from China.

Meopta is mostly Czech Republic and some USA assembly, with some of their entry level binoculars from China.

We are always happy to discuss individual products with you all if you'd like to call before making a purchase rather than just going to the web site.

What I will say again, we do not support Chinese direct companies like Vector Optics, who are direct China brands vs USA companies that have product made in China. There is a distinct difference. Also, I say again, there is no way to know who sources what pieces parts in their products from where. The rules of stating "Made in XYZ" are very vague on what % needs to be what in order to claim this detail.

I hope this information is helpful

No, not that. There are no reasonable alternatives to our devices. There are a lot of reasonable non-Chinese options for scopes.

lololololololol

Yes that. There is an option but some would say it's unreasonable.

Get rid of everything around you that is made in China or has even 1 single part or piece in it that's made in China and you will be surprised at what little you have left.

I am not against buying Made in USA whenever possible but I realize Made in USA doesn't mean what it sounds like.

Well, there ya go. Whatever Chinese scope someone might buy, there is inarguably a reasonable alternative for about the same price with the same features and performance. If you could steer me toward a $250 Chromebook that is not made in China, I'd be grateful.

Yes sir,

and a prudent response to certain 'nattering nabobs of negativism'.

It's no wonder that you are successful!

ya!

GWB

Not a Google supporter so I am of no help.

Doug,

Thank you for the reply. I would like to simplify this request:

Will you divulge what country a product you sell is from (labeled on the scope, binocular or whatever) so that we know before we choose to buy it?

That is all I ask.

Thank you,

Alps

This has become a silly debate. Whether to purchase products that are made in a given country does not have to be “all or none.” I cannot fault a guy for trying to minimize support going to a certain country for whatever reason, even if it’s unreasonable to reduce that support to 0. What doesn’t make sense to me are the arguments suggesting that if supporting manufacturing in a given country (used to be Germany/Japan, now it’s China) is inevitable in some minimal amount, then giving full support without a second thought is also inevitable, or at least justifiable. The notion of destroying everything you own that was made in a place you don’t like, also makes no sense. The concern is what the future holds and how our current actions influence that future. Whatever support was given in the past is done, a “sunk cost.”

I can see the logic behind both sides of the debate, but I do think that listing COO is useful, where possible, to at least indicate how much of the manufacturing process may occur in a country one wishes to avoid. That allows each customer to make decisions based on what is important to them.

I will speak with our web builder to see if moving forward, as new product is added on the site, if COO can be added. As we have an excess of 25,000 pages on our site we cannot go back and edit all those pages.

I appreciate your input and we will work on this moving forward. Thanks for the suggestion

Doug next they will be asking you to raise their children…

Heaven forbid people do some actual research before buying any product.

This forum is never not entertaining…

Doug,

Thank you for the reply. I would like to simplify this request:

Will you divulge what country a product you sell is from (labeled on the scope, binocular or whatever) so that we know before we choose to buy it?

That is all I ask.

Thank you,

Alps

General Coneporn, you have really let yourself go!

Regarding your not so hidden message: I'll buy an O and a U and let you figure out the rest. That's all.

Otherwise I'd offer to buy you a beer if you would just clean yourself up a little.

Thank you, Doug.

I appreciate your sincere reply.

I would say tact and wit are not your strong suit, but that would be gauche.......

ya!

GWB

For those who refuse to buy anything made in China, what modern optics have you chosen?

I'll bet losing you as a customer is going to put Doug right out of business. Fuggn clown.

To all you CCP loving dick weasels, I salute you also:

Spoken like a liberal - kowtow or you shall be cancelled.
Do your own damn homework.

And I'm guessing if your wife is buying a binocular for you, you're not exactly the discerning type.

lmao , you're a [bleep] retard

if mine something from China that actually works and the price is right shows them but if they produce a good product at a fair price they can get a market trade. when you don't buy the cheap [bleep] that breaks that they produce that teaches them not to produce cheap [bleep].
unfortunately your mom will never learned this either when she produced you she produced the cheap piece of [bleep]

Don't feed the troll.